Today's City Pages Blotter reports that Mary Franson wonders whether marriage equality extends to polygamy.
She's not the only conservative rural woman flogging this one after the Minnesota legislature extended the freedom to marry to same sex couples.
Former state senator Gretchen Hoffman, who has moved to North Dakota as well as become the Minnesota state director for Concerned Women of America, expounded on her belief that advocates for polygamy and pedophilia (she names NAMBLA) will be next in line for changes in the state's marriage law.
The statements were made on Tuesday, May 14, during an interview by Bradlee Dean and Jake McMillan on the Sons of Liberty radio show.
Hoffman: polgamists and NAMBLA will demand marriage rights
Last Tuesday, former Minnesota state senator Gretchen Hoffman was interview by toxic metal preacher Bradlee Dean and his sidekick, Jake McMillan on the Sons of Liberty Radio show.
From our transcript (full text below the fold) :Hoffman: I mean, these are militant activists who are pushing an agenda. . .and they made it all about love and being with who you love.Well, I'd like to know how the state can regulate love anyway. I mean, where does it end? We're looking--the polygamists now are going to come and ask for, I love, you know, four people and you know the NAMBLA group which is what-I don't even know what that acronym stands for--
Dean: The North American Man Boy Love Association, it's a pedophile group, correct
Hoffman: . . .And they're working to lower the age of consent so they can have sex with children and so you know of course whenever I say stuff like that they tell me I'm an extremist or I'm overreacting or..I've been called every name in the book. . .
Hoffman: "Political correctness" kept Catholic Church "cowed" in 2012
While not mentioning that the diocese spent $650,000 to promote last year's amendment to restrict the freedom to marry to one man and one woman, as well as recruiting volunteers to work for the ballot measure, Hoffman also chided the Catholic Church for being too "politically correct" about "homosexual marriage", while praising a protestant community church in Warroad:
Dean: . . .Many won't like it, what I have to say, saying I was too indelicate, well, how's being delicate worked for everybody, tell us about the right, the church, what has been their part to play in this defeat?Hoffman: Well, I think that they've played a huge part, um, in the defeat. They have been so cowed by political correctness that they are not speaking morals and moral values and following God's Word from the pulpit and our young people are walking away from the church in droves.
You know, is that a product of they're bored in church, is that a product of, you know, [chuckles] I went to church every Sunday when I was growing up, that's just the way it was in our house, I didn' have a choice in the matter. Are we trying to be too friendly with our kids and not be their parents, I mean there's just a whole host of things but I will tell you, I went to church and I'm a Catholic.
I went to church the Sunday before the election, I mean I always do, but especially I try not to miss the Sunday before elections, you know Catholics are supposed to go every Sunday and I listened to what the priest in my church said and there was no talk of gay marriage, homosexual marriage--I'm trying to take back the language as well--there was no talk in my Catholic Church against homosexual marriage. At the end of the service he made a small mention to vote pro-life and that was it.
And so when we have churches that are being cowed because of political correctness and the threat of losing their tax-free status--
Dean: Which has never happened...
Hoffman: And I'm sure you guys know about this, the church, the pastor up in Northern Minnesota, I think his name is Doug Booth [Gus Booth], and the IRS--
The interview starts around the 14 minute mark on the May 14 show archived here, and Bluestem's transcription is below the fold. Some nonessential remarks are marked by ellipses.
Hoffman may be best known for being required to apologize after an ethics complaint when her tweets misrepresented floor statements by Senator Barbara Goodwin (DFL-Columbia Heights). Hoffman retired after she was re-districted into a seat shared by another Republican, declaring her intention to seek her party's endorsement in CD7. She lost to Lee Byberg on the first ballot at the Republican district convention.
On twitter today, Hoffman promised a follower she'd be back to doorknock next year.
Read the transcript below the fold:
Dean: . . .I feel like I'm very aggressive.
McMillan: Aggressive?
Dean: Yeah.
McMillan: Different meaning.
Dean: Yeah, militant.
McMillan: Well, when you're in a war,you've got to be that way.
Dean: I mean, like the violent, take-it-by-force...press into the Kingdom of God. [crosstalk] The cool part about that is that it's his pleasure to give on to us the Kingdom. I love that kind of stuff.
McMillan: And you know what? That pleasure transcends lines of radio and transcend sometimes into that political realm. . . .I don't see it a whole lot but sometimes we see teeth we want to invite those teeth on to the show.
We have with us today Miss Gretchen Hoffman, who was actually a former Minnesota state senator, and boy, I'll tell you what, whenever there was something to be said on an issue, the press always went straight to her because they knew that she would say what was really going on and not try to candy-coat it and give a statement like everybody else that could be taken two different ways . . .
So Miss Gretchen, don't be diplomatic with us, tell what's going on in the state of Minnesota with this "gay marriage," excuse me, homosexual marriage issue, and thank you for being on the show.
Hoffman: Well, you are very welcome, I'm glad to be here and you are correct, I'm one who has never minced words in my entire life, and in fact I believe that's probably why people of the district elected me because I was truthful at the door. . . .
. . .What's happening in Minnesota? Well, as many of you know, the Minnesota State Senate yesterday passed the homosexual marriage, which basically is genderless marriage. They've rewritten the defense of marriage statute. The House passed it last week and it will go to Governor Dayton's desk and he'll have the signing ceremony on Tuesday. It will be law in Minnesota.
McMillan: Tuesday, as in today, 5 o'clock?
Hoffman: I lost track of time here. Yes, that's very rapid.
Dean: Let me ask you a question Gretchen. Let me know real quick. How do you enforce an unlawful law? I'm just kinda curious. I mean, did they not read the Preamble, did they not read the state statutes, did they not use a little common sense before going forward on a homosexual agenda?
Hoffman: Well, evidently they didn't. And you know-- I think that Senator Marty, who actually--I sat next to him on the tax committee last year--I believe he had a bill to reverse DOMA in the state of Minnesota every year for--I'm not going to say how many years because I don't know--but from what I understand, he's put one in almost every year that he's been there to repeal defense of marriage and so when last fall when the campaign was going on--and one of the biggest campaign issues they said to people, the uninformed voter, I mean, and that's what we're dealing with right now. I don't mean to offend anybody but it's the truth--
Dean: You're good...
McMillan: Did you just say that? That you don't mean to offend anybody?
Hoffman: No, I never want to offend anybody, but I will tell the truth and if the truth offends, then get informed and you won't be offended. [crosstalk] So I would tell people, so why do we need to put this in our constitution, that's what the campaign was, we don't need this in the constitution, we've got it protected under law, and I said, laws can be changed and laws will be changed and we see the result of that.
So basically, the homosexual lobby and the campaign lied to the people in Minnesota.
Dean: Of course. Gretchen we also understand too from an insider, that John Marty--and BTW, John Marty is a pastor's kid for those that didn't know . ..
Dean understates the facts here: Martin Marty is considered by many to be one of the foremost contemporary Lutheran theologians in America. The senate bill to extend the freedom to marry was authored by Senator Scott Dibble (DFL-Minneapolis), rather than John Marty.
Dean: But we'd actually approached him a couple of times and I tell you what, it was interesting to watch the man squirm when he was around people who actually knew what they were talking about...
Bluestem thinks that Dean probably misunderstands why he makes people squirm.
Dean: But we actually understand from an inside source that he was actually trying to get the vote passed through behind the backs of the voters. On three different occasions. These are the kinds of people we're dealing with in the state of Minnesota and of course across the country.
Hoffman: I mean, these are militant activists who are pushing an agenda. . .and they made it all about love and being with who you love.
Well, I'd like to know how the state can regulate love anyway. I mean, where does it end? We're looking--the polygamists now are going to come and ask for, I love, you know, four people and you know the NAMBLA group which is what-I don't even know what that acronym stands for--
Dean: The North American Man Boy Love Association, it's a pediphile group, correct
Hoffman: . . .And they're working to lower the age of consent so they can have sex with children and so you know of course whenever I say stuff like that they tell me I'm an extremist or I'm overreacting or..I've been called every name in the book. . .
McMillan: When you're exposing the extremists, you become the extremist--
Dean: Well, that's exactly what they did in Canada when they implemented homosexual marriage--
McMillan: That's exactly what's happening now--[crosstalk]--you wrote a post Gretchen, just so you know, I am done mincing words, we better start speaking plainly, the low-info voter doesn't get get subtlety. There are times when Christians absolutely must speak out, grab attention, use brevity. Many won't like it, what I have to say, saying I was too indelicate, well, how's being delicate worked for everybody, tell us about the right, the church, what has been their part to play in this defeat?
Hoffman: Well, I think that they've played a huge part, um, in the defeat. They have been so cowed by political correctness that they are not speaking morals and moral values and following God's Word from the pulpit and our young people are walking away from the church in droves.
You know, is that a product of they're bored in church, is that a product of, you know, [chuckles] I went to church every Sunday when I was growing up, that's just the way it was in our house, I didn' have a choice in the matter. Are we trying to be too friendly with our kids and not be their parents, I mean there's just a whole host of things but I will tell you, I went to church and I'm a Catholic.
I went to church the Sunday before the election, I mean I always do, but especially I try not to miss the Sunday before elections, you know Catholics are supposed to go every Sunday and I listened to what the priest in my church said and there was no talk of gay marriage, homosexual marriage--I'm trying to take back the language as well--there was no talk in my Catholic Church against homosexual marriage. At the end of the service he made a small mention to vote pro-life and that was it.
And so when we have churches that are being cowed because of political correctness and the threat of losing their tax-free status--
Dean: Which has never happened...
Hoffman: And I'm sure you guys know about this, the church, the pastor up in Northern Minnesota, I think his name is Doug Booth [Gus Booth], and the IRS--
McMillan: In Warroad, yep.
Hoffman: He speaks truth at the pulpit. In fact, my kids heard him once and they said, Mom, if we had a pastor like that, I'd go to church every Sunday.
McMillan: Because he speaks truth, that's awesome.
Hoffman: He speaks truth, he speaks with passion, and he speaks with conviction and so he fought the IRS and so the case just sort of went away. And I was at a conference in Texas, I'm the state director for Concerned Women of America, and family issues are one of our big things, and I was at a conference [in Texas] and a state legislator talked to us there and he said that he visited at a church, it was a small church, and this was another pastor who spoke truth and, um, they lost their tax-free status. And the legislator asked him, well, how was it going for him and he said our tithing has doubled. . . it is better now that we're speaking truth than being cowed by a politically correct government that for the most part is radicalizing the founding of our country.
And, so my point is, is that so often Christians, especially Christian women, you know I love them to death--obviously, I'm one of them--but I have always spoken truth and they so often say to me, now Gretchen you can't offend anybody and I say, well we're losing, we better start offending somebody.
Dean: Isn't that the purpose of you being in government as a representative to enforce the Law, to legislate the Law, and it's interesting, just another point to what you were just saying, Gretchen, that when you look at the abortion industry, the greatest advocate is the silence of 300,000 pulpits across America to sit down and tolerate what God commands, when He said that I hate hands that shed innocent blood.
And then, when we go over to the issue of homosexual marriage, who's been the greatest advocate? The professed church of America and by the way, it's a lack of Christianity, Gretchen, it's not Christ at all. He's missing in the equation.
McMillan: What's your future, Gretchen, what are you moving into? What's on the horizon for you right now?
Hoffman: Well, I don't know if you know this, but my husband and I moved out of Minnesota the first of the year, I haven't made a secret of it and I --this is one of the reasons why, it's more than the fiscal issues for me, it's the immorality of our government right now in Minnesota--
Dean: Where do you live, Gretchen, so everybody can know that? Like when they get done listening to this radio show they can zero in on you? I'm totally playing [laughs].
Hoffman: That's right, they can zero--I'm not making any secret of it . . .we moved to North Dakota.
Dean: Oh gotcha. You know my wife was born there. Gretchen, thank you very much for your time. We totally appreciate it. Heather, will you pick up the phone, she works for Concerned Women of America. We do a lot of stuff with those guys. . . .Thank you Gretchen Hoffman, former member of the Minnesota Senate.
Photo: Former Kvetchin' Gretchen Hoffman, a native of North Dakota, moved back home. From North Dakota, she serves as the Minnesota state director of Concerned Women of America.
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